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Ark - August 13, 2008 06:25 PM (GMT)
Should it be legal?

I think it should. people know the risks when they get into it anyway. mostly stds.

i know a girl whose mom was a whore
it wouldnt be cool if she wasnt born she looks like shreik from catdog

mrpopolike2 - August 13, 2008 06:49 PM (GMT)
It's actually pretty legal in Nevada. With restrictions, of course. You have to have a permit, I think. And be in a whorehouse. And be purty.

I, personally, couldn't care less, so long as they're of legal age to do so.

c-106mc - August 14, 2008 01:59 AM (GMT)
It should be if they don't have to worry about being beaten or drugged. Y'know?

Ark - August 14, 2008 02:06 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (c-106mc @ Aug 13 2008, 09:59 PM)
It should be if they don't have to worry about being beaten or drugged. Y'know?

well in that case i dont think they would get paid

mrpopolike2 - August 14, 2008 05:45 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Ark @ Aug 14 2008, 02:06 AM)
QUOTE (c-106mc @ Aug 13 2008, 09:59 PM)
It should be if they don't have to worry about being beaten or drugged. Y'know?

well in that case i dont think they would get paid

That's a little mean. Hilarious, but mean.

mc, what you're thinking of is a brothel.

J. Depp - August 14, 2008 05:49 PM (GMT)
There's actually a couple of them just outside of vegas, or at least there used to be a couple of years ago. I'm not sure if they're still there or not.

XYZ-Cool - August 15, 2008 05:52 PM (GMT)
I don't think it should be legal. In my opinion, there are other, eternal, consequences to all nonmarital sexual relations.

mrpopolike2 - August 28, 2008 05:41 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (XYZ-Cool @ Aug 15 2008, 05:52 PM)
I don't think it should be legal. In my opinion, there are other, eternal, consequences to all nonmarital sexual relations.

But don't you think that people should have the right to choose to do something potentially harmful to themselves? People smoke all the time. People drive. Even if a "mortal soul" is at stake, don't people have the right to have sexual relations with a professional?

Incidentally, this could turn into a "should religion affect law" debate. I don't believe it should, because it gets in the way of freedom, most of the time.

Mrs. Depp - August 28, 2008 08:12 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Braveheart)
FRRREEEEEEDOOOOOOOOOM!

Tak - August 28, 2008 11:29 PM (GMT)
I think it should be legal. If the person wants to give out their body, they can. It's not like it's affecting anyone else, and it's not like they're forced to do it.
Even so, I think there should be limits to certain things. The prostitutes should at least be treated well. If the person they're sexing with beats on them or injures them purposely or something, that's not right. They should have a right to stand up to that, or take legal action against it. It may be their job, but people should be comfortable with their job. they shouldn't have to deal with being mistreated, no one should.

mrpopolike2 - August 30, 2008 04:29 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Mrs. Depp @ Aug 28 2008, 08:12 PM)
QUOTE (Braveheart)
FRRREEEEEEDOOOOOOOOOM!

That's not serious enough for this forum/topic. Please be more careful next time.

EDIT: And, Tak, there's a thing called the law that already protects everyone from being beaten/abused, regardless of profession or circumstances. As such, prostitution laws in particular don't need to concern themselves with that, as those rights are already covered. It's good that you're showing compassion, however.

Tak - September 1, 2008 08:48 PM (GMT)
Oh, haha, wow. Shows how much I pay attention.
I knew there were laws that protected people from being abused ( I know that's against the law, examples are child abuse, animal abuse, ect) but for some reason I thought it was different for prostitution. Oh my god, I am so stupid.
-is embarassed-

Marietta Fiume - September 15, 2008 04:22 PM (GMT)
In perump(I cant spell) there's a brothel... it looks like a castle... but yeah...
i think that prostitution iis a thing that girls started doing because it made the ugly guys that couldn't get any feel special... so i think its ok for the losers, and the girls that feel sorry for the poor guys.

Edgeworth - September 18, 2008 11:30 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Marietta Fiume @ Sep 15 2008, 08:22 AM)
In perump(I cant spell) there's a brothel... it looks like a castle... but yeah...
i think that prostitution iis a thing that girls started doing because it made the ugly guys that couldn't get any feel special... so i think its ok for the losers, and the girls that feel sorry for the poor guys.

lol, no
women do it for money. always have, always will.

but anyways
It's just another profession, so it's great that it's being legalized. They shouldn't get any special treatment like you guys have been suggesting if they're still going to work the streets, because those are the risks you have to take with that sort of thing.

And Tak's kinda right; if someone's beaten or the like while turning tricks, then of course they won't report it- that'd require some 'splaining about what exactly you were up to in the first place- so the laws are pretty much ignored by the customer.

Notice how I use all my fancy, new-world slang as if I know what I am talking about.

J. Depp - September 22, 2008 04:48 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (J. Depp @ Aug 14 2008, 09:49 AM)
There's actually a couple of them just outside of vegas, or at least there used to be a couple of years ago. I'm not sure if they're still there or not.

QUOTE
In perump(I cant spell) there's a brothel... it looks like a castle... but yeah...


That's one of the ones I was think of. So it is still there.

XYZ-Cool - October 6, 2008 07:38 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (mrpopolike2 @ Aug 27 2008, 09:41 PM)
QUOTE (XYZ-Cool @ Aug 15 2008, 05:52 PM)
I don't think it should be legal.  In my opinion, there are other, eternal, consequences to all nonmarital sexual relations.

But don't you think that people should have the right to choose to do something potentially harmful to themselves? People smoke all the time. People drive. Even if a "mortal soul" is at stake, don't people have the right to have sexual relations with a professional?

Incidentally, this could turn into a "should religion affect law" debate. I don't believe it should, because it gets in the way of freedom, most of the time.

Everyone has the right to do whatever their heart desires. Doesn't mean there shouldn't be deterrents to try to convince people not to do the things that are, in my opinion, wrong.

Quez T.A.F. - October 6, 2008 07:41 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (XYZ-Cool @ Oct 6 2008, 11:38 AM)
QUOTE (mrpopolike2 @ Aug 27 2008, 09:41 PM)
QUOTE (XYZ-Cool @ Aug 15 2008, 05:52 PM)
I don't think it should be legal.  In my opinion, there are other, eternal, consequences to all nonmarital sexual relations.

But don't you think that people should have the right to choose to do something potentially harmful to themselves? People smoke all the time. People drive. Even if a "mortal soul" is at stake, don't people have the right to have sexual relations with a professional?

Incidentally, this could turn into a "should religion affect law" debate. I don't believe it should, because it gets in the way of freedom, most of the time.

Everyone has the right to do whatever their heart desires. Doesn't mean there shouldn't be deterrents to try to convince people not to do the things that are, in my opinion, wrong.

I say do what you desire, and if so happens, take the consequences may there be any.

Mrs. Depp - October 6, 2008 07:51 PM (GMT)
in other words if it feels good do it, but be prepared for any negatives that come with it.

Quez T.A.F. - October 6, 2008 07:53 PM (GMT)
<.< mrs.Depp took what I said into lame man's terms >.<

Ryouichi - October 6, 2008 08:33 PM (GMT)
Wow guys, really? Do anyone of you honestly think that that's how it works? Like some girl just wakes up and decides that she wants to do it for some extra cash, and goes and stands around a corner all day until someone finally picks her up and we live all happily ever after. Wow.

No the true story is people from poor families tend to fall easier to the wrong crowd, and get caught up with drugs, gambling, whatever, I don't really care what the reason is. More than half the time they end up in the wrong crowd, and from there get forced into prostitution. What did you guys think that when a pimp smacks the hell outta his chick that she doesn't leave cause the money's so great? No its cause she has no where else to go.

Hell, sometimes there's forced prostitution circles where girls are kidnapped and kept in rooms for some guy to give the dude in charge some money and give him the key. They feed the girl minimally, and the same goes for drinks. You know how long that lasts? Until the girl dies. Still think prostitution is an acceptable thing?

I'll grant that not every chick in that situation has that happen to them, but it's the legalization of these things that leads to what I just mentioned, giving it more chance to occur. That's why this stuff is illegal. Not cause some government heads in Washington think its just so immoral, or can't seem to get any themselves, what the hell? The clues are obvious, you just need to look for them.

Ryouichi - October 6, 2008 08:37 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (XYZ-Cool @ Oct 6 2008, 11:38 AM)
QUOTE (mrpopolike2 @ Aug 27 2008, 09:41 PM)
QUOTE (XYZ-Cool @ Aug 15 2008, 05:52 PM)
I don't think it should be legal.  In my opinion, there are other, eternal, consequences to all nonmarital sexual relations.

But don't you think that people should have the right to choose to do something potentially harmful to themselves? People smoke all the time. People drive. Even if a "mortal soul" is at stake, don't people have the right to have sexual relations with a professional?

Incidentally, this could turn into a "should religion affect law" debate. I don't believe it should, because it gets in the way of freedom, most of the time.

Everyone has the right to do whatever their heart desires. Doesn't mean there shouldn't be deterrents to try to convince people not to do the things that are, in my opinion, wrong.

So I have to right to slash tires, break into houses, and put out cigarettes in little girls eye sockets so long as I don't get jumped for it? I mean, considering you said I have the right, that means that the only form of punishment from doing whatever your heart desires should be from other forces outside of the government/legal system.

c-106mc - October 6, 2008 11:48 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Ryouichi @ Oct 6 2008, 04:33 PM)
Wow guys, really? Do anyone of you honestly think that that's how it works? Like some girl just wakes up and decides that she wants to do it for some extra cash, and goes and stands around a corner all day until someone finally picks her up and we live all happily ever after. Wow.

No the true story is people from poor families tend to fall easier to the wrong crowd, and get caught up with drugs, gambling, whatever, I don't really care what the reason is. More than half the time they end up in the wrong crowd, and from there get forced into prostitution. What did you guys think that when a pimp smacks the hell outta his chick that she doesn't leave cause the money's so great? No its cause she has no where else to go.

Hell, sometimes there's forced prostitution circles where girls are kidnapped and kept in rooms for some guy to give the dude in charge some money and give him the key. They feed the girl minimally, and the same goes for drinks. You know how long that lasts? Until the girl dies. Still think prostitution is an acceptable thing?

I'll grant that not every chick in that situation has that happen to them, but it's the legalization of these things that leads to what I just mentioned, giving it more chance to occur. That's why this stuff is illegal. Not cause some government heads in Washington think its just so immoral, or can't seem to get any themselves, what the hell? The clues are obvious, you just need to look for them.

YOU'VE ACTIVATED MY TRAP CARD

By legalizing it you allow for things like I dunno... RIGHTS, so abuse gets cut out of the picture, this becomes a real job, with rules and regulations. And the kidnapping thing would happen anyways, and that part would still be illegal.

And considering the number of phones with cameras and the density of populations, it'd be hard to get away with putting out cigarettes in the eyes of children.

Quez T.A.F. - October 7, 2008 04:34 AM (GMT)
Let people be themselves. Don't fuck with their life unless they fuck with yours. We don't make the laws or the rules and probably never will, so if they get into trouble in any way, it's their own fault.

Mrs. Depp - October 7, 2008 09:36 PM (GMT)
exactly, I may not approve of alot of stuff people I know do, but I don't stop them from doing it either, if they want to kill themselves fine, their choice, of course I'll be horribley saddened for years to come but I'll get over it for the most part.

Ryouichi - October 8, 2008 05:09 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (c-106mc @ Oct 6 2008, 03:48 PM)
QUOTE (Ryouichi @ Oct 6 2008, 04:33 PM)
Wow guys, really? Do anyone of you honestly think that that's how it works? Like some girl just wakes up and decides that she wants to do it for some extra cash, and goes and stands around a corner all day until someone finally picks her up and we live all happily ever after. Wow.

No the true story is people from poor families tend to fall easier to the wrong crowd, and get caught up with drugs, gambling, whatever, I don't really care what the reason is. More than half the time they end up in the wrong crowd, and from there get forced into prostitution. What did you guys think that when a pimp smacks the hell outta his chick that she doesn't leave cause the money's so great? No its cause she has no where else to go.

Hell, sometimes there's forced prostitution circles where girls are kidnapped and kept in rooms for some guy to give the dude in charge some money and give him the key. They feed the girl minimally, and the same goes for drinks. You know how long that lasts? Until the girl dies. Still think prostitution is an acceptable thing?

I'll grant that not every chick in that situation has that happen to them, but it's the legalization of these things that leads to what I just mentioned, giving it more chance to occur. That's why this stuff is illegal. Not cause some government heads in Washington think its just so immoral, or can't seem to get any themselves, what the hell? The clues are obvious, you just need to look for them.

YOU'VE ACTIVATED MY TRAP CARD

By legalizing it you allow for things like I dunno... RIGHTS, so abuse gets cut out of the picture, this becomes a real job, with rules and regulations. And the kidnapping thing would happen anyways, and that part would still be illegal.

And considering the number of phones with cameras and the density of populations, it'd be hard to get away with putting out cigarettes in the eyes of children.

It's psudo intellectuals like you that just get to me. Have you ever even truly been in the real world enough to know how any sh*t really happens? You think it's like some kind of CSI bull going on 24/7? Wake up, not really. You can kill a guy in a street so long as it's dark enough.

and just how does it cut down on abuse? Do you think something like this, in a country such as this can possibly be recoverable? It could be treated as a real job if no such history had been established with anger, violence, and money. Prime example is many countries have a long standing ban on all kinds of alcohol accepted into the territory. Guess what, it works. Why? Cause of its customs. Thus, during the 1940's ban on liquor, violence, bootlegging, and mobs took over by storm, having the exact opposite effect of what should have occurred. My point - Nothing will come out the way your happy little mind may think, and most likely the legalization of prostitution will have almost completely negative outcomes, cause guess what...the world isn't such a happy/logical place where everything turns out the way you expect it...

twit

Quez T.A.F. - October 8, 2008 11:29 AM (GMT)
tl:dr

Mrs. Depp - October 8, 2008 01:37 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Ryouichi @ Oct 7 2008, 09:09 PM)
QUOTE (c-106mc @ Oct 6 2008, 03:48 PM)
QUOTE (Ryouichi @ Oct 6 2008, 04:33 PM)
Wow guys, really? Do anyone of you honestly think that that's how it works? Like some girl just wakes up and decides that she wants to do it for some extra cash, and goes and stands around a corner all day until someone finally picks her up and we live all happily ever after. Wow.

No the true story is people from poor families tend to fall easier to the wrong crowd, and get caught up with drugs, gambling, whatever, I don't really care what the reason is. More than half the time they end up in the wrong crowd, and from there get forced into prostitution. What did you guys think that when a pimp smacks the hell outta his chick that she doesn't leave cause the money's so great? No its cause she has no where else to go.

Hell, sometimes there's forced prostitution circles where girls are kidnapped and kept in rooms for some guy to give the dude in charge some money and give him the key. They feed the girl minimally, and the same goes for drinks. You know how long that lasts? Until the girl dies. Still think prostitution is an acceptable thing?

I'll grant that not every chick in that situation has that happen to them, but it's the legalization of these things that leads to what I just mentioned, giving it more chance to occur. That's why this stuff is illegal. Not cause some government heads in Washington think its just so immoral, or can't seem to get any themselves, what the hell? The clues are obvious, you just need to look for them.

YOU'VE ACTIVATED MY TRAP CARD

By legalizing it you allow for things like I dunno... RIGHTS, so abuse gets cut out of the picture, this becomes a real job, with rules and regulations. And the kidnapping thing would happen anyways, and that part would still be illegal.

And considering the number of phones with cameras and the density of populations, it'd be hard to get away with putting out cigarettes in the eyes of children.

It's psudo intellectuals like you that just get to me. Have you ever even truly been in the real world enough to know how any sh*t really happens? You think it's like some kind of CSI bull going on 24/7? Wake up, not really. You can kill a guy in a street so long as it's dark enough.

and just how does it cut down on abuse? Do you think something like this, in a country such as this can possibly be recoverable? It could be treated as a real job if no such history had been established with anger, violence, and money. Prime example is many countries have a long standing ban on all kinds of alcohol accepted into the territory. Guess what, it works. Why? Cause of its customs. Thus, during the 1940's ban on liquor, violence, bootlegging, and mobs took over by storm, having the exact opposite effect of what should have occurred. My point - Nothing will come out the way your happy little mind may think, and most likely the legalization of prostitution will have almost completely negative outcomes, cause guess what...the world isn't such a happy/logical place where everything turns out the way you expect it...

twit

prcisley why every one should mind their own business you can't keep peope from doing it so why bother trying?

Ark - October 8, 2008 07:39 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Ryouichi @ Oct 8 2008, 01:09 AM)
You can kill a guy in a street so long as it's dark enough.

have you...?

Mrs. Depp - October 8, 2008 09:18 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Ark @ Oct 8 2008, 11:39 AM)
QUOTE (Ryouichi @ Oct 8 2008, 01:09 AM)
You can kill a guy in a street so long as it's dark enough.

have you...?

If it was stupid agent man, I totally would.

c-106mc - October 9, 2008 01:04 AM (GMT)
Ryouchi, English please. How is Prohibition relevant to prostitution and wanton actions?

mrpopolike2 - October 9, 2008 01:09 AM (GMT)
Ryochi, are you psychotic? No? Then stop pretending that you are. By your logic, we should just kill all the prostitutes. Solves the problem outright, doesn't it?

Or, instead, we could make what they do legal (not pimping, though. It's inhumane and is the cause for a lot of the abuse), so that the underprivileged masses that have to do that aren't being put in and out of jail constantly. That's the real problem here. They get sent to jail, where afterwards they can't get a good job and thus have to go back to prostitution. Then the cycle begins anew. Legalizing it breaks the cycle.

Also, we're in a depression. People need a quick pick-me-up every now and again. Who's to say that prostitution can't provide that?

Ryouichi - October 9, 2008 09:45 PM (GMT)
Sigh....no I have never killed a man, and no, I am not psychotic, nor am I acting to be such. And where the hell did you get my logic to mean killing prostitutes? I'll say this slowly.

People are raised having natural, basic beliefs on set issues depending on where they were raised, how they were raised, and what was set down as right and wrong. An example of this is in the middle east, as many of you may know, it's a huge offense to show the bottom of your show to anyone. Here, not so much. So would it not stand to reason that some situations/events/people/jobs would bring up some set of emotional ranges, replies, and deeply set values?

So now let's bring prostitution in play. Obviously, the majority of America has a tendancy to contain negative feelings towards such a job, and afterall, the majority of the public is what we're looking at here, not "Oh well I would never do such a thing." That's all fine for you, isn't that right?

Leading from that, would it not also stand to reason to assume that the wide spread, national legalization of prostitution lead to somewhat negative effects, as most of us come to expect that from it? Let me see if I can put this a different way. Say that you are already doing something that your conscience tells you is already wrong. Would you not feel that doing other things related to said event that might be otherwise considered wrong as well go under the rug. I mean, if you, or for that matter, your family/friends/maybe even girlfriend, see it as wrong, then you probably have some kind of connotation towards the same beliefs as well, do you not? Afterall, they raised you, they befriended you, and you probably liked your girlfriend for a reason.

So taking from that, it's bound to happen that other, unethical things may occur throughout the legalization of prostituion, and that it would probably be logical to assume that these small mistakes would eventually escalate over time, would it not? Afterall, that's how pimps started to show up in the first place.

My point on the prohibition, however, might have been slightly harder to understand. Heavy drinking, just as in prostitution has negative, ill feelings towards it. The attempted banning of alcohol lead to widespread bootlegging, mobs, street shootings, etc. From my logic, which you are more than capable of defeating, especially in this aspect, is that taking something, specifically in this area and promoting it would lead to those kinds of, or really just overall, undesirable effects, and that the attempted ban of it after legalization would possibly stir up more conflict.

However, I do like a few of your points as well.

However, for popo, regardless of how I acted, which was far from psychotic, bite me. And thanks for making such an indepth and clearly educated rebutle. I'm sure you're on top of things.

Edgeworth - October 9, 2008 10:00 PM (GMT)
....So, your point was? I really couldn't tell with all the meandering around and irrelevant topics.

J. Depp - October 9, 2008 10:48 PM (GMT)
I don't care, legalize it don't I'll still make use of the services.

Ark - October 9, 2008 10:49 PM (GMT)
making prostitution legal doesnt mean making murder and abuse legal

c-106mc - October 10, 2008 12:49 AM (GMT)
Can you give me the thesis statement version of that? I want the bare bones, the point.

Ryouichi - October 10, 2008 11:51 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (c-106mc @ Oct 9 2008, 04:49 PM)
Can you give me the thesis statement version of that? I want the bare bones, the point.

Societies who hold set actions or thoughts to be improper or negative, tend to promote other improper or negative actions associated, or commonly seen associated with said action.

In this case, it's prostitution, and the society is America.

Note the words tend to promote. There is no way that abuse has a direct correlation between prostituion, nor murder or anything else.



Edgeworth: If you had read it...and actually understood it, you'd probably realize that there were no irrelevant points.


Edited: Also, I'm sorry for losing my cool in the topic. I like debating, but only when it's under good circumstances. Shouldn't have gotten mad

Edgeworth - October 11, 2008 12:03 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Ryouichi @ Oct 10 2008, 03:51 PM)
Let me see if I can put this a different way. Say that you are already doing something that your conscience tells you is already wrong. Would you not feel that doing other things related to said event that might be otherwise considered wrong as well go under the rug. I mean, if you, or for that matter, your family/friends/maybe even girlfriend, see it as wrong, then you probably have some kind of connotation towards the same beliefs as well, do you not? Afterall, they raised you, they befriended you, and you probably liked your girlfriend for a reason.

Where is the relevance here.

Ryouichi - October 13, 2008 04:28 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Edgeworth @ Oct 10 2008, 04:03 PM)
QUOTE (Ryouichi @ Oct 10 2008, 03:51 PM)
Let me see if I can put this a different way. Say that you are already doing something that your conscience tells you is already wrong. Would you not feel that doing other things related to said event that might be otherwise considered wrong as well go under the rug. I mean, if you, or for that matter, your family/friends/maybe even girlfriend, see it as wrong, then you probably have some kind of connotation towards the same beliefs as well, do you not? Afterall, they raised you, they befriended you, and you probably liked your girlfriend for a reason.

Where is the relevance here.

Societies who hold set actions or thoughts to be improper or negative, tend to promote other improper or negative actions associated, or commonly seen associated with said action.


If you don't see that connection right there then I can't help ya.

When I went to the family/friends aspect, I was pointing out that even if you yourself didn't see anything wrong with it, your relations with those people will most likely influence how you go around doing , in this case prostition. Like, lets say you don't care about it, but your family is heavily Christian.

Parakaitz - October 13, 2008 09:52 PM (GMT)
Ryouichi needs his own consulting topic

It should be called the Couch

where everyone lays on the couch and relays their problems to Dr. Cookie



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